We would like to use mechanically metered and automatically dispensed Silverdyne in the public toilet tank developed by us to discharge pathogen free water directly into the earth from the toilet cabin.Thus we will not contaminate ground water and sources.
We have submitted our competition entry as "What a crappy idea" on March 22.You might want to read it.
The toilet would handle about 40 liters of faeces,urine and wash water mixture per day.
Please read about the toilets on www.thakareqpt.com.
Would it also eliminate odors? Silverdyne may help us overcome the need for a fan if it removes odors as well and make the unit non electrical. The need for electricity is a major barrier to purchase right now.
Is there someone who is importing Silverdyne into India? How can we pay for and get a sample for testing?
Seamus B.
Greetings M.S. Thakar: because you've raised some technical questions that require a little more space than is provided here, we've opted to answer you more fully via the direct message service and e-mail.
But so that others can learn from your project efforts and this most pertinent inquiry, allow us to summarize what we told you in detail here, for all to see:
1) Most odors are caused directly either by pathogens, or the rotting process being creating by same. When we kill the pathogens THOROUGHLY, as our solution does (i.e., killing not just select types/forms, but every type in every category, and all within 30/Minutes!), we thereby can stop - or, at least minimize - most odors. (Skunk urine and some other things may be exceptions; we don't know, as no one has tried it yet.)
We know this from practical experience, as when our solution is used in highly turbid &/or post-flooding water purification, such waters normally also smell very bad initially, but lose that smell with treatment. We've also tried it on Swine waste, and it worked equally well on that.
2) We also referred you to an "Aerobic", vs. "Anaerobic" process, which converts human waste to safe, usable fertilizer and totally evaporates urine. Also, in this process (the opposite of what goes on in a septic tank, for example) the "good" bacteria are destroying the bad. Properly set up, this needs (optimally, but in hot climates with some air movement not essentially) a very small, battery-powered fan to maintain dehydration processes 24/7; so, you CAN avoid the absence of powerlines/outside power sources.
We hope this helps, and will be glad to work with you/your program if you want to test this process.
Hello Seamus,
Thank you for expressing an interest in working with me and our program.
Please advise how we can take this forward in trying out Silverdyne drops and setting up the aerobic process with a small battery powered fan.What are the optimisation parameters?
What information would you like from me? Regards
M.S.Thakar
i live in a rural area of florida and am looking for water purification alternative, do you have any reps in the central florida area that i can purchase this from.
also, are you looking for distributors of this truly needed product , here in the southeastern US ?
Thank you for your inquiry about our product. At this moment we do not have a distributor in your area, but will notify the closes one to you and have him contact you.
We are always looking for distribution arms please tell us more about yourself @ this web address charles.veach@whaintl.com I will have the president Neil Web direct you to the right department.
The innovation is a good one. What are the chances of it being extended to Eastern Africa. Secondly, I still believe that we need to educate the local communities on the impact of using clean water.
Thank you for your interest and comment about our product and direction. It is our intentions to expand our product all through the continent of Africa as well as the rest of the world.
We are always searching for interested parties to market our product.
I agree with you when you about educating the local communities about clean water. Education is one of the key elements for change. If we are fortunate enough to be chosen as one of the finalist, one of our goals will be to further the education gap that are killing the country’s greatest resource "The People"
It is our wish to work with you an your company in any way that make since in bring education and clean water to east Africa.
Please feel free to further comment on any area of our company or product that you wish.
I too would like to ask forgiveness, since I came close in my response to losing my objectivity, then expressing upset. I believe that at times it may only be one's capacity to sort reasons from feelings that will really help all of us to work together.
Of course, I will be delighted to work along with you and to use your silver, and I have no doubt that it's quality is very high. I would like to add, however, that there are times, in the treatment of pottery surfaces when it will be entirely appropriate to use other forms of silver and not CS. This will certainly be true in the unhappy event that your silver is not available, and under similar circumstances.
Reid Harvey
SilverCeramicSystems.com
Alfred, NY USA
+508 246-1185
It would be an honor for us to work along side your proven success in the ceramic filter arena.
I too find myself getting caught up and boarding losing my objectivity, after years of battling the road blocks of governments red tape and the complacency they show toward their own people.
We are anticipating speaking at the 2008 International WHO Symposium on Household Water Management and the Fourth Annual Meeting of the International Network to Promote Household Water Treatment and Safe Storage in Accra, Ghana, as well as many other meeting in Kenya and Ethiopia. We will be posting these on our website so maybe we can meet in the continent somewhere to work on joint objectives.
Again thank you for your kind words and future endeavors to work with us.
Please do not assume that the set up that I suggested, using three nine volt batteries, would be recommended for commercial production. I was merely making observations about how very simple this procedure can be.
Closer to a commercially viable approach may be something like the generator of concentrated CS, that we have used in our Nepal project. That can be seen by scrolling, nearly to the bottom of our web page. But again, it is not for me to say whether this would be considered acceptable to drink, and we have simply used this CS for treating pottery filter candles.
I expressed the simplest approach to making the CS, simply to show what would be an interim step to a more sophisticated, commercial production. But I should say that were I on a desert island, with the 27 volt system described, I would certainly use this.
I have understood that this contest is largely about open source technology. I too would be anxious to work with you in a collaborative way, and hope it's okay that I've raised the topic of technology transfer.
Reid Harvey
SilverCeramicSystems.com
Alfred, NY USA
+508 246-1185
Forgive me if my last comment to you sounded like an assumption.
The point I was trying to make was, that while both technologies clean water, our technology is a process that is entirely different than the one you were referring to, not just in process but in concept as well.
Some how the Nepal project you ask me to look at did not come through on this e-mail would you be so kind and resend it to me @ charles.veach@whaintl.com. I would be very interested how we may combine both technologies for one common cause.
We also joined this contest to find like mine and to combine technology transfer that make since.
After looking at your entry info and your website we feel there are many areas we would like to share.
Thanks for the good work, and I'd like to make a few observations. I believe it is amazing and almost miraculous that there seems to be a growing acceptance of what CS can do in purifying contaminated water. But not being a professional in health or in water I do not feel fully qualified to comment on the ramifications and various intricacies of accepting CS for this purpose. But I do believe that if acceptance is gained that CS can be used to purify water, that there should be a technology transfer, enabling those in the so-called third world to manufacture their own CS.
To make high quality CS virtually anywhere, is remarkably simple. The small amount of apparatus needed includes only, 1. pure silver wire, 2mm, by 30 to 40 cms. length (costing about US$15.00). 2. a one quart glass container, with a supply of distilled water, and, 3. three nine volt batteries, with wire leads to the two silver electrodes.
Using this set up it is possible to produce 10 to 20 ppm of high quality CS (more aptly called 'electrically isolated silver'). When this CS is further diluted with contaminated water the result will be water that is free of bacteria. The acceptance of CS as a suitable product for purifying water would make it possible to develop a lot of community industry in the production oc the CS, without so much reliance on outside resources.
I have hesitated to make comments here, for the reasons mentioned, that I am not educated in health or water. So I am not qualified to make a meaningful choice on whether or not CS can be used in this way. But I also believe that technology transfer is necessary.
Thanks again for what you are doing.
Reid Harvey
SilverCeramicSystems.com
Alfred, NY USA
+508 246-1185
Thank you for the comments concerning our product. You made a comment in your above statement that “to make high quality CS virtually anywhere is remarkably simple. Using this set up it is possible to produce 10 to 20 ppm of high quality CS (more aptly called 'electrically isolated silver'). When this CS is further diluted with contaminated water the result will be water that is free of bacteria”. We have found over the last 14 year that this approach with a small machine that makes 10 to 20 ppm may be able to clean very small amounts of water over a long period of time, but is not practical in an emergency or a day to day third world condition scenario.
In the beginning we also tested with low amounts of CS and realized that if you’re not using at least 3600ppm or above of pure CS you will not get clean drinkable water in 30 minutes or less. So now the CDC and the water districts require a minim of 3600ppm on our batch testing.
To make our claims of no taste, smell, color or toxicity is a 3 day manufacturing process there are over ten engineered step to producing our product. One can not buy our equipment on the open market it must be built from scratch.
Reid since we are still a for profit company we are not at the point of technology transfer as of yet. Since it is not the ingredients that make our product unique, it is the many engineered processes it goes through. But in saying this we have developed equipment that allows our venders to cut their shipping cost by making ten to one solution breakdowns.
We have a new process we believe that when joining our product with ceramic products like yours it will help revolutionize bacteria free water. I hope to speak to you about this in the near future
I hope I address all your comments. If not please fell free to expound. We wish you the best on your wonderful product and look forward to networking with you.
Questions poised by Victoria, from "WaterWorld", raise some very serious side issues. Response space won't allow for in-depth/extended "give&take", but as one traveling around the world (75 Countries/4 Continents) for some years, extensively in Africa lately, I've been looking at/dealing with both a new rash of Rural water resource system installations, as well as the various agents in most common use to purify them (when they even bother to do so! Another topic, for another day!).
1) Recent sensationalist presentation of "The Blue Man", on Oprah & elsewhere, simply compounds fear mongering that interests who feel threatened by non-patented chemical alternatives are happy to promote. Actual field USE records - impressive Lab testing results aside - of high quality (vs. "homemade") CS, and proven results therefrom, are what needs examining. Medical clinics all over the world are now returning to use of CS; especially to curb, if not cure, a whole range of tropical illnesses/ailments. A Clinic in E. Africa just recently sent a 1.5/Pg. list - single spaced! - of things they are now curing/controlling with CS: e.g., HIV Cell Growth; post-Malarial Red Blood Cell restoration; all manner of Fungal diseases.. the list goes on. And, even with all this much stronger use - HIV control requires 20/Drops in a class of water, 2-3X daily - NOT A SINGLE CASE OF ARGYRIA (a COSMETIC, not a health syndrome!) or other negative side effects!
2) FDA HAS issued "Cease & Desist" orders against those selling "tonic level" (i.e., highly diluted) forms of CS, which MAKE HEALTH/CURING CLAIMS NOT TESTED/APPROVED BY FDA, as required by law. Implications that FDA is in any way opposed to use of CS are false; they "grandfathered" the product many years ago, & now concern themselves only with false marketing claims.
3) CS concentrates - including SilverDYNE - have been extensively used in Hospitals/Wards, to facilitate healing not accomplished by chemical antibiotics. CS CANNOT BE FOOLED BY MUTATING OR RESISTANT BACTERIA; ALL DOCUMENTED!
Thank you for sharing some of your insight on CS. The people who are in the arena of cleaning water deserve the right to question different products/New Alternatives for cleaning potable water, especially the ones that have no knowledge in the area of CS. It is common for these people to collectively bunch all CS products under one umbrella, because to do extensive research on the entire field and the many uses of CS would take too long a time and can be cumbersome. There has been a lot of controversy about CS over the years good and bad it has been misused and has made incredible leaps of success over the last 100 years.
Most of all your large pharmaceuticals all have a silver product line weather it is silver cream for burns, wounds, and even silver band aids. Just check with your local drug store. Most people do not know that NASA uses CS to treat the drinking water on the shuttles. Go to www.nasa.gov and do the research on how they recycle water on the shuttles.
I noticed you mention the blue man on Oprah show. This person has been drinking CS for many years but yet no where but his face is blue, that is because he admits that he bought a small machine that turns silver into liquids among other things, he has admitted on the Oprah show that he really didn’t know what he was doing but was just experimenting with a mineral. He applied a lot of silver paste to his face and kept applying it until his face was pigmented with a bluish gray color which he admits was his goal. We all know if you abuse any product from aspirins to alcohol you will surly receive the cause and effect of that abuse. Isn’t it interesting that there is only one blue person in the entire world and so much CS being sold globally? Again Seamus our product Silverdyne treats drinking water not people.
We thank you for your opinion, and look ford to speaking to you again in this contest. We hope your water product fairs well.
I had the opportunity to hear Boylson at The Commonwealth Club of California, which featured "water" topics during the month of August. He had samples of the Silverdyne solution in water and it tasted very pure. I was impressed, especially with the potential impact this can have on the world!!!
What a great solution that could save so many lives, especially in developing nations. I hope governments will take advantage of this product to save their citizenry.
I have read the comments and looked at some of the claims made about your product Silverdyne. It would appear to be a very impressive product. However, there has been considerable debate about the efficacy of colloidal silver products stretching back for over 30 years.
Are you aware of the concerns and if so, how does your product differ from a wide range of very similar products available on the market?
The debate centres on the premise that the risk associated with consumption of colloidal silver outweighs the benefits claimed. A number of companies who have offered a similar product in the past have had warning letters issued by the FDA ordering them to stop claiming that their colloidal silver products were effective against a wide range of health related conditions. On the basis of studies it carried out, the FDA banned the use of colloidal silver or silver salts in over-the-counter products from August 1999. In a report prepared by Fung and Bowen “silver products for medical indications: risk-benefit assessment.” The conclusion reached was that “we emphasise the lack of established effectiveness and potential toxicity of these products”
How will you counter the reasonable concerns that users may have given the large number of reports, papers and articles which all highlight the risks associated with the ingestion of colloidal silver products?
Your website gives numerous test results which, when looked at from a scientific point of view, only conclude that Silverdyne inhibits bacteria in a laboratory culture.
Are you convinced that this means it will be effective in the human body?
How can you control dosage?
WHO Guidelines for Drinking Water Quality (3rd Edition) states that “Silver is not very effective for eliminating disease-causing micro organisms, since silver itself is slow acting (p110)
Can you help me understand how your product counters this statement?
Given the unquantifiable risk, do you feel comfortable in recommending the use of this product by people who may well already be in a poor state of health?
Thank you for your concern and creatable questions about our product Silverdyne and its claims as well as its effect on the human body. First of all let’s be clear on our claims for water treatment. We do not treat humans like you pointed out that all the other silver product do. (We treat water not humans!) But since the water we treat is drank by humans than lets address that point. We do not fall under the FDA guide lines we Fall under the EPA guide lines. Let’s review what the EPA guidelines for the amount of safe dosage of silver daily are.
The Environmental Protection Agency states in their conclusions quite clearly:
Taking one ounce of colloidal silver compounds daily, according to EPA guidelines, is well below the critical daily intake for the development of argyria.”
“While it is the EPA conclusion after four years of study that the risk of Argyria from the use of a quality isolated colloidal silver product is negligible, prudence suggests that actual silver intake be kept below 1.09 milligrams daily until scientific evidence demonstrates otherwise.” our product only uses 180 ug(microgram not milligrams. Certainly well below EPA standards wouldn’t you agree?
You address our test results as " Silverdyne inhibits bacteria in a laboratory culture" but failed to mention the numerous ISO toxicity tests we conducted on live animals that show no toxicity even at 50 drops of our product per liter of water. And the most we ever recommend is two drops per liter.
Thank you for your concern and questions about our product Silverdyne and its claims as well as its effect on the human body. First of all let’s be clear on our claims for water treatment. We do not treat humans like you pointed out that all the other silver product do. (We treat water not humans!) But since the water we treat is drank by humans than lets address that point. We do not fall under the FDA guide lines we Fall under the EPA guide lines. Let’s review what the EPA guidelines for the amount of safe dosage of silver daily are.
The Environmental Protection Agency states in their conclusions quite clearly:
Taking one ounce of colloidal silver compounds daily, according to EPA guidelines, is well below the critical daily intake for the development of argyria.”
“While it is the EPA conclusion after four years of study that the risk of Argyria from the use of a quality isolated colloidal silver product is negligible, prudence suggests that actual silver intake be kept below 1.09 milligrams daily until scientific evidence demonstrates otherwise.” our product only uses 180 ug(microgram not milligrams. Certainly well below EPA standards wouldn’t you agree?
You address our test results as "Silverdyne inhibits bacteria in a laboratory culture" but failed to mention the numerous ISO toxicity tests we conducted on live animals that show no toxicity even at 50 drops of our product per liter of water. And the most we ever recommend is two drops per liter.
Virginia, please go to our website www.whaintl.com under the Testimonies tab and see what the Director General of the Center for Disease Control and others after using our product for over ten years has to say about its ability and safety.
I hope this clears up why we are not like all the other silver product out there and how important it is for one to review all the fax to get the correct results.
It is also interesting that you are using live animals for testing. Do you have any medium term to long term prognosis of their condition or the laboratory reports on any stress or trauma impact resulting from the testing?
TO ANSWER YOU’RE QUESTION: We have no medium or long term just short term prognosis on animals just what you see on our research site, where all the test animals flourished from our product. On the other hand we do have testimonials from the Center for Disease Control on the long-term/ ten years use on humans with our product, without any incidents of any kind.
If you like I would be happy to post it on changemakers for your review.
Look forward to your comments and good luck with your wonderful product in the Changemakers contest.
Secondly, I will look at your claims in more detail from a reasoned and measured scientific point of view.
It is very important that we in the water communty understand and are able to measure the efficacy of your product. It would be an incredible shame if we missed out on a product that we could all benefit from.
Can you tell us how your product differs from the other products on offer on the internet and which I referred to in my original message?
Dear Victoria, please forgive me for miss pronouncing you name.
Let’s address the references mention in your original message (Water Product Program): First of all their product line from their website shows their ingredients: is a saturated acidic complex ionic aqueous solution containing copper, silver, zinc, aluminum and gold. We could not find anywhere on their website that mentions any test results, or long term use in any divined area.
To answer your question how dose our product differ from the above product, we only use distilled water and silver in our product. We have test results backing our claims; we have government agencies and other groups giving testimonies of our product results over the last ten years.
Let’s address your next example American Biotech Labs: We are very familiar with their work and their process they are a fine company that is focused on treating people for various diseases using CL as a product line. As far as I know they do not have a particular product that just address the cleaning of potable water. It is our hope that they will join us in our endeavors to adopt an alterative product line for eliminating all bacteria in water.
Again we believe that we as a company that from the beginning have always and always will be first dedicated to the treatment of potable water. That is not to say that we are not looking in other areas that our product may be of benefit.
Victoria we appreciate you bring this questions to light it allows others to receive a better understanding on how we differ from other CL in the market place.
In reviewing your Web Site, the major focus is on your unique solution's use as a purifying agent - for fresh fruit and vegetables, as well as water - but doesn't talk much about other uses I have heard made of it.
For example, I have a relative who is a Mt. Climber, and was introduced to your solution through another friend. He carried a small vial of it in his pack, instead of the Iodine tablets most climbers use (and hate the taste of, thereby taking big chances with drinking water from open streams, etc.)
While climbing one of the tallest mountains in the So. Caucusus chain, he badly jammed a finger on a rock, and almost immediately got a serious fungal infection. Recalling some of the many uses he had been told about this product, he put several drops directly on the injury; by the next day, it was completely cleared up. That infection could have aborted his very expensive climb. But I didn't see much, if anything, about its being able to kill fungal diseases as well. What's the barrier to wider use?
I have also heard stories about how a few drops in a vase of flowers can keep them fresh for 3-to-5 times longer; and another report I just came on to about use of a product - yours or something similar - now being tested by agricultural interests, to eliminate the use of toxic chemicals to curb their crop plant diseases.
If all this is factual, as it seems to be, why isn't there more being said about this use versatility on your Web Site? It seems almost too good to believe, that something with so many valuable uses can be packed in a small plastic bottle, that can last months, if not even a year or more. It should be more readily available!
Please let me address your first question. (What's the barrier to wider use?)
Like any other product on the market there must be trials and approvals before we can bring them to the market place this take time and capitol.
We are presently doing mold and mildew testing on produce pre and post harvest through UC Davis in California, to create a full range of organic alternatives, to the chemicals products that are being using on aquiculture at present.
We are also doing testing for Newcastle/Avian flu viral trial. These apply to vaccine production and the many viruses that are continually present in the growing of poultry world wide. Using our solution would be an organic alternative to the present injection of antibiotics for the breading or raising any kind of fowl.
At present based on our final test results we will be looking to promote our product as topical ointment to defer bacteria from burns and wounds.
Other trials are up coming and we will keep you posted on there outcome.
We hope we have answered your questions fully, if not please contact us so we may redirect in the areas you want to be more specific
Thank you again for your interest in our company, and I hope we may serve your needs
Proctor& Gamble's product-PUR,purifier of water-which purifies water 99.9% including elimination of turbidity and protozoan contamination and is priced at Rs.5[10cents?] a sachet to treat 10 liters of water in Pakistan .
P&G's social marketing wing Population Services International [www.psi.org] markets 'SAFEWAT' in INDIA at Rs10 a bottle of 100ml ;one drop of "SAFEWAT deactivates bacteria and viruses in one liter of water which works out to one nayapisa [ 0.02 cents] A comparison between these products and siverdyne in effectivity and price will be useful.
After a bit of research on Pur purifier the product description is both a flocculant and disinfectant that can separate particles and organisms from the water and kill microbes after 30 minutes.
The water is then filtered through a cloth to remove the debris. The powdered product, which includes ferric sulphate, calcium hypochlorite and chlorine, is delivered in small sachets. (Please look up MSDS on all three these ingredients) taken even in small amounts.
This is not to say that PUR is not a safe product with great qualities. I am saying we are just different in our approach to bacteria free water.
Pur quotes in their information that PUR costs around ten cents to treat the drinking water for a family of five for one day, and reduces the incidence of diarrhea in young children by around 50%.
Our product Silverdyne is a natural mineral with no smell taste or color. I believe our test results speak for themselves please review our web site under the research tab and look at our MSDS information, and please compare the two product ingredients.
(Our product will treat a family of 5 for 5 cents per day, or $18.00 per year (based on $ 3.00 per bottle)
As it is documented that untold amounts of children are dieing around the world because they refuse to drink water that taste bad, where adults know that it might save their lives the children don't.
Household Water Treatment Product
????Brand name –Safewat
????2.5% chlorine solution
Safewat is another chlorine product with the same smell and taste that chlorine brings. I am not saying that our product is better than any other water cleaning product just different. Safewat, PUR, Silverdyne and many other are all striving to help and make a difference in the bacteria free safe water market.
I hope we have answered all your questions, and we hope you will keep asking them.
Please contact us by phone or e-mail we would like to work with you anyway.
One of my companies missions to help individuals find a solution to the potable water problem. Reviewing your web site especially your section on research, I think we have found an inexpensive and readily available solution to the above problem.
Thank you for your interest in our product, if you could be so kind as to give us more information about what and where you are wanting to provide potable water we may be able to assist you in your endeavors.
Since you have already visited our web site all of our contact info is there under company tab. Please feel free to expound on all areas of interest we may provide.
We look forward to hearing from you and your company.
I can't believe how great this product works. I did my own little experiment with fresh vegetables by washing half in regular water and half in water using Silverdyne. The vegetables washed in Silverdyne stayed fresh for three times as long as the vegetables washed in regular water. Wow!
When I put a couple of drops of Silverdyne in my water, I can taste how sweet it becomes. We are very interested in how this product kills pathogens and bacteria as we will be taking supplies and food into third world countries. This could very well be the answer to water purification problems and challenges in these countries.
We look forward to learning all that we can about your product.
Thank you for taking the time to experience first hand the positive results of our product Silverdyne in your drinking water as well as the washing process.
You have indicated that you are interested in how our product kills pathogens and bacteria as you will be taking supplies and food into third world countries.
We have extensive information for these questions on our web site under the research and product tab. www.whaintl.com
After reviewing our web site please call us and let us know what your plans are for the third world countries you want to enter so we may be of assistance.
Looking forward to working with you and your company.
It appears your product ‘Silverdyne’ is for individual use purifying 1 liter to 1 gal. But I would be curious if it could be applied to a larger scale of say 1mgd or more, possibly replacing chlorine which is commonly used for disinfection.
Carlos Murphy
Thank you for your question and interest in our product.
We have no problem treating larger quantities of water other than 1liter to 1gallon.
If you mean by individual use the water the person or persons consume, than you’re correct.
As to many articles 85% of all global water use goes to aquaculture/Industry, 15% go to bathing, washing articles, swimming pools ECT. Only about 5% of water goes past our lips for drinking.
We/our company are trying to make a difference with that 5%. Is our objective to take the place of chlorine, in the city or county reservoirs the answers would be no.
Isn’t the real challenge to give good quality drinking water where ever how ever we can make a diffrence?
I hope this answered your question, if not please feel free to expound further on the subject. Look forward to hearing from you soon
I am always interested in new ways to purify and make water safe. The information which you have provided in regard to your water additive is quite informative on the one hand but makes me wonder about such terms as "bad" water or "very bad" water. I apologize but I do not understand what either of these descriptions is supposed to convey.
Also, I have been looking at a different technology which is shown at http://www.waterstraws.com/ and wonder if the product which you are marketing is somehow related to this same type technology. the water straws also make me wonder at their descriptive use of words for polluted waters.
Finally, I wonder if your product would "make safe" waters that have high arsenic or heavy metal contents?
Thank you for your questions about” bad" water verses "very bad" water.
In most third world country the drinking water is bad because of their delivery system is old or antiquated.
On the other hand there are natural disasters such as flooding, tsunamis, cholera ECT that cause the drinking water to become very bad/ worse than it already is. That is why we indicate between one and two drops.
You also ask about the technology of the straw. Our technology and the straw have only one thing in common we are both trying to help deliver a better more convenient solution to clean drinking water.
Our product eliminates all bacteria/viruses from the water. It dose not remove the arsenic or heavy metals.
We hope we have answered you questions to your satisfaction, if not please feel free to contact us at any time.
Silverdyne offers water purification that is simple and safe. Only 2 drops will treat a liter of water and eliminate pathogens effectively and quickly. This could save countless lives in countries where dysentery and water born diseases are the leading cause of death.
Having a compromised immune system myself, I rely on Silverdyne to purify my drinking water. It is especially helpful when I travel. I have a friend who lives in a rural environment. She gets her water from a spring on her property. Previously, if I brushed my teeth with her water, I became ill. With Silverdyne, I no longer have to worry about that. Giardia and other pathogens are easily destroyed in short time. I wish I had Silverdyne when I traveled to Mexico many years ago and suffered Montezuma's revenge.
Silverdyne gives me piece of mind and secondary immune protection in a world where bacteria and viruses are popping up on a daily basis.
We appreciate your kind words about our product Silverdyne. We are sorry to hear that you have a compromised immune system but we are pleased that we can help you with your problem by eliminating all the bad pathogens in your drinking water. If you have any other stories you would like to share with us please feel free to e-mail or call us. Please visit our web site for more information.
Hello Charles,
I like the sounds of this natural mineral liquid that can purify water. When I was traveling in South East Asia I carried a bottle of liquid iodine around. The taste was pretty bad but it worked well and I didn't get sick. How is this different and how does it compare in cost, flavor and effectiveness?
Lastly, could you do your best to list some of the barriers or challenges to creating or achieving your impact.
Thank you
Dana Frasz
Changemakers
First of all I would like to thank you for your interest in our company and product.
The answers to your questions are what make our product so unique:
1. "Flavor" -- Siverdyne as a natural mineral adds no additional flavor to the water, in fact since it is in no way carcinogenic, it allows the natural flavor of the water to come trough unlike the iodine or chlorine products.
2. "Effectiveness" -- 1 drop in 2litters of water or 2 drops in 1litter of water depending on the concentration of bacteria will eliminate all bacteria/viruses in 30 minutes or less.
If you would be so kind to visit our website www.whaintl.com and review the research tab, you will find many test results from EPA, FDA accreted labs from the US, Europe, Pacific Rim, and South America demonstrating a 99.99% elimination of bacteria/viruses to include ISO Acute Systemic injection test/toxicity testing.
3. "Cost" -- 1 30ML bottle will treat 1200Lt/300gl of drinking water, enough to last an adult 12-14 months for under a penny a day.
4. "Barriers and challenges" –While trying to penetrate foreign markets, in underdeveloped nations, where governments as well as private businesses have used other products for so many years, tend to create artificially erected barriers, causing the fear of change for a co-existing alternative to the water problems.
Dana, I hope this answers your questions. Please let me know if you have any additional questions or input.
I am wit stanford University and would love to learn more about this product. It sounds like such a simple solution to a world that may not have a lot of resources.. Please let me know more.
I am a researcher with Bristol University UK and I have a keen interest in the product. It seems like a good product that can benefit developing countries in purifying their (high incident) impure water.
Thank you for your input about our product Silverdyne, We are currently speaking to Oxfam in the UK and expanding into the Pacific Rim as well as the Middle East. Please visit our web site www.whaintl.com for further information on our travel schedule, and production expansion.
Thank you for your input, our web page goes into quit a bit of detail on our product. Look under the product tab and it will show multiple uses.
If you have any more question after looking at the web site. www.whaintl.com
Please let us know.
PS I am meeting with one of the Doctors at Stanford this week. He is a col. in the nation guard and is heading to Baghdad to head up their CDC unit for the country. Were hoping he will bring us with him to distribute our product for the local people suffering from Pathogenic Bacteria.
I have used silverdyne in my drinking water since September 07 in the one drop to the over one hundred drop treatment concentrations for water use.
I feel a distince almost instanious cleen hydration experience when i drink this treated water [ within 10 seconds]
I feel that the water treated with Silverdyne is invasive pathogen free and promotes general health and psychological well being .
Clinical tests have shown that silverdyne works in the field for invasive pathogen destruction, and I can recommend it for not only field use but for emergency use as well.
I have a standard one quart canteen in my car pack for survival situations with 10 drops of silverdyne [nutrasilver] in it , yes even here in the USA !
As a private designer of American National Survival projects I recommend Silverdyne not only for the individual but for government use as well in the area of invasive pathogen treatment.
Please see my work at www.civilizationcontinuity.org
We thank you for your endorsement of our product. As a wholesale company we are always expanding our product line and we are looking for distributors with like minds, we welcome your input for our product many uses in water purification. It is our goal to help deliver clean drinking right NOW too the needy world wide.
I have used silverdyne in my drinking water since September 07 in the one drop to the over one hundred drop treatment concentrations for water use.
I feel a distince almost instanious cleen hydration experience when i drink this treated water [ within 10 seconds]
I feel that the water treated with Silverdyne is invasive pathogen free and promotes general health and psychological well being .
Clinical tests have shown that silverdyne works in the field for invasive pathogen destruction, and I can recommend it for not only field use but for emergency use as well.
I have a standard one quart canteen in my car pack for survival situations with 10 drops of silverdyne [nutrasilver] in it , yes even here in the USA !
As a private designer of American National Survival projects I recommend silver dyne not only for the individual but for government use as well in the area of invasive pathogen treatment.
Please see my work at www.civilizationcontinuity.org
I am grateful for the use of silverdyne, and have passed on this product to friends and family .
I feel it has helped remove toxins from my body and improve my health dramatically.
It is safe and practical ,I will always use it .
Thank you Christina for your kind words and support of our product. It is letters like this from people like you that keep us moving forward. With the help of other like mind products and thinking we may make this world a cleaner place to live.
I have gone to your site and read your FDA-certified lab reports and I must say I have not seem results more impressive anywhere.
When you can kill eColi, Salmonella, Pseudomonas and Shingella at the rate of 99.999% in less than 30 minutes, you have a major product that could very well replace antibiotics!
As a water purifier, I have done the calculations based upon information on your web site: apparently, one 30ml bottles of Silverdyne , assuming 1/2 gallon of drinking water a day in the tropics, will supply enough clean drinking water for 1.6 YEARS!!!
Silverdyne should be carried by anyone who relies on clean drinking water when traveling such as backpackers; rather than carrying stoves to boil water along with the fuel, they could simply apply one or two droops of Silverdyne to their canteen and have safe drinking water in unlimited quantities without having stop and boil water. Not to mention there apparently is not taste, most people object to chlorine in their water for that reason.
I believe that Silverdyne, used in other areas could dramatically change the landscape of the water industry. Imagine Silverdyne in bottled water; people who drank it would probably become more healthy because of its anti-pathogenic properties.
If the cost of Silverdyne is as stated, this appears to be a very cost-effective way to clean water on a very large scale. I am anxious to hear more about silverdyne and its progress in the world.
We would like to use mechanically metered and automatically dispensed Silverdyne in the public toilet tank developed by us to discharge pathogen free water directly into the earth from the toilet cabin.Thus we will not contaminate ground water and sources.
We have submitted our competition entry as "What a crappy idea" on March 22.You might want to read it.
The toilet would handle about 40 liters of faeces,urine and wash water mixture per day.
Please read about the toilets on www.thakareqpt.com.
Would it also eliminate odors? Silverdyne may help us overcome the need for a fan if it removes odors as well and make the unit non electrical. The need for electricity is a major barrier to purchase right now.
Is there someone who is importing Silverdyne into India? How can we pay for and get a sample for testing?
Seamus B.
Greetings M.S. Thakar: because you've raised some technical questions that require a little more space than is provided here, we've opted to answer you more fully via the direct message service and e-mail.
But so that others can learn from your project efforts and this most pertinent inquiry, allow us to summarize what we told you in detail here, for all to see:
1) Most odors are caused directly either by pathogens, or the rotting process being creating by same. When we kill the pathogens THOROUGHLY, as our solution does (i.e., killing not just select types/forms, but every type in every category, and all within 30/Minutes!), we thereby can stop - or, at least minimize - most odors. (Skunk urine and some other things may be exceptions; we don't know, as no one has tried it yet.)
We know this from practical experience, as when our solution is used in highly turbid &/or post-flooding water purification, such waters normally also smell very bad initially, but lose that smell with treatment. We've also tried it on Swine waste, and it worked equally well on that.
2) We also referred you to an "Aerobic", vs. "Anaerobic" process, which converts human waste to safe, usable fertilizer and totally evaporates urine. Also, in this process (the opposite of what goes on in a septic tank, for example) the "good" bacteria are destroying the bad. Properly set up, this needs (optimally, but in hot climates with some air movement not essentially) a very small, battery-powered fan to maintain dehydration processes 24/7; so, you CAN avoid the absence of powerlines/outside power sources.
We hope this helps, and will be glad to work with you/your program if you want to test this process.
Hello Seamus,
Thank you for expressing an interest in working with me and our program.
Please advise how we can take this forward in trying out Silverdyne drops and setting up the aerobic process with a small battery powered fan.What are the optimisation parameters?
What information would you like from me? Regards
M.S.Thakar
i live in a rural area of florida and am looking for water purification alternative, do you have any reps in the central florida area that i can purchase this from.
also, are you looking for distributors of this truly needed product , here in the southeastern US ?
with success, gerry
Dear Gerry,
Thank you for your inquiry about our product. At this moment we do not have a distributor in your area, but will notify the closes one to you and have him contact you.
We are always looking for distribution arms please tell us more about yourself @ this web address charles.veach@whaintl.com I will have the president Neil Web direct you to the right department.
Thank you again for your interest in our product.
Cordially,
Charles Veach
Dear Charles,
The innovation is a good one. What are the chances of it being extended to Eastern Africa. Secondly, I still believe that we need to educate the local communities on the impact of using clean water.
Regards,
Pius Kahangirwe
Dear Pius kahangirwe,
Thank you for your interest and comment about our product and direction. It is our intentions to expand our product all through the continent of Africa as well as the rest of the world.
We are always searching for interested parties to market our product.
I agree with you when you about educating the local communities about clean water. Education is one of the key elements for change. If we are fortunate enough to be chosen as one of the finalist, one of our goals will be to further the education gap that are killing the country’s greatest resource "The People"
It is our wish to work with you an your company in any way that make since in bring education and clean water to east Africa.
Please feel free to further comment on any area of our company or product that you wish.
Cordially,
Charles Veach
Charles,
I too would like to ask forgiveness, since I came close in my response to losing my objectivity, then expressing upset. I believe that at times it may only be one's capacity to sort reasons from feelings that will really help all of us to work together.
Of course, I will be delighted to work along with you and to use your silver, and I have no doubt that it's quality is very high. I would like to add, however, that there are times, in the treatment of pottery surfaces when it will be entirely appropriate to use other forms of silver and not CS. This will certainly be true in the unhappy event that your silver is not available, and under similar circumstances.
Reid Harvey
SilverCeramicSystems.com
Alfred, NY USA
+508 246-1185
Reid,
It would be an honor for us to work along side your proven success in the ceramic filter arena.
I too find myself getting caught up and boarding losing my objectivity, after years of battling the road blocks of governments red tape and the complacency they show toward their own people.
We are anticipating speaking at the 2008 International WHO Symposium on Household Water Management and the Fourth Annual Meeting of the International Network to Promote Household Water Treatment and Safe Storage in Accra, Ghana, as well as many other meeting in Kenya and Ethiopia. We will be posting these on our website so maybe we can meet in the continent somewhere to work on joint objectives.
Again thank you for your kind words and future endeavors to work with us.
Cordially,
Charles Veach
Charles,
Please do not assume that the set up that I suggested, using three nine volt batteries, would be recommended for commercial production. I was merely making observations about how very simple this procedure can be.
Closer to a commercially viable approach may be something like the generator of concentrated CS, that we have used in our Nepal project. That can be seen by scrolling, nearly to the bottom of our web page. But again, it is not for me to say whether this would be considered acceptable to drink, and we have simply used this CS for treating pottery filter candles.
I expressed the simplest approach to making the CS, simply to show what would be an interim step to a more sophisticated, commercial production. But I should say that were I on a desert island, with the 27 volt system described, I would certainly use this.
I have understood that this contest is largely about open source technology. I too would be anxious to work with you in a collaborative way, and hope it's okay that I've raised the topic of technology transfer.
Reid Harvey
SilverCeramicSystems.com
Alfred, NY USA
+508 246-1185
Reid,
Forgive me if my last comment to you sounded like an assumption.
The point I was trying to make was, that while both technologies clean water, our technology is a process that is entirely different than the one you were referring to, not just in process but in concept as well.
Some how the Nepal project you ask me to look at did not come through on this e-mail would you be so kind and resend it to me @ charles.veach@whaintl.com. I would be very interested how we may combine both technologies for one common cause.
We also joined this contest to find like mine and to combine technology transfer that make since.
After looking at your entry info and your website we feel there are many areas we would like to share.
Cordially,
Charles
Cell 408-679-2140
Thanks for the good work, and I'd like to make a few observations. I believe it is amazing and almost miraculous that there seems to be a growing acceptance of what CS can do in purifying contaminated water. But not being a professional in health or in water I do not feel fully qualified to comment on the ramifications and various intricacies of accepting CS for this purpose. But I do believe that if acceptance is gained that CS can be used to purify water, that there should be a technology transfer, enabling those in the so-called third world to manufacture their own CS.
To make high quality CS virtually anywhere, is remarkably simple. The small amount of apparatus needed includes only, 1. pure silver wire, 2mm, by 30 to 40 cms. length (costing about US$15.00). 2. a one quart glass container, with a supply of distilled water, and, 3. three nine volt batteries, with wire leads to the two silver electrodes.
Using this set up it is possible to produce 10 to 20 ppm of high quality CS (more aptly called 'electrically isolated silver'). When this CS is further diluted with contaminated water the result will be water that is free of bacteria. The acceptance of CS as a suitable product for purifying water would make it possible to develop a lot of community industry in the production oc the CS, without so much reliance on outside resources.
I have hesitated to make comments here, for the reasons mentioned, that I am not educated in health or water. So I am not qualified to make a meaningful choice on whether or not CS can be used in this way. But I also believe that technology transfer is necessary.
Thanks again for what you are doing.
Reid Harvey
SilverCeramicSystems.com
Alfred, NY USA
+508 246-1185
Dear Reid,
Thank you for the comments concerning our product. You made a comment in your above statement that “to make high quality CS virtually anywhere is remarkably simple. Using this set up it is possible to produce 10 to 20 ppm of high quality CS (more aptly called 'electrically isolated silver'). When this CS is further diluted with contaminated water the result will be water that is free of bacteria”. We have found over the last 14 year that this approach with a small machine that makes 10 to 20 ppm may be able to clean very small amounts of water over a long period of time, but is not practical in an emergency or a day to day third world condition scenario.
In the beginning we also tested with low amounts of CS and realized that if you’re not using at least 3600ppm or above of pure CS you will not get clean drinkable water in 30 minutes or less. So now the CDC and the water districts require a minim of 3600ppm on our batch testing.
To make our claims of no taste, smell, color or toxicity is a 3 day manufacturing process there are over ten engineered step to producing our product. One can not buy our equipment on the open market it must be built from scratch.
Reid since we are still a for profit company we are not at the point of technology transfer as of yet. Since it is not the ingredients that make our product unique, it is the many engineered processes it goes through. But in saying this we have developed equipment that allows our venders to cut their shipping cost by making ten to one solution breakdowns.
We have a new process we believe that when joining our product with ceramic products like yours it will help revolutionize bacteria free water. I hope to speak to you about this in the near future
I hope I address all your comments. If not please fell free to expound. We wish you the best on your wonderful product and look forward to networking with you.
Cordially,
Charles
Questions poised by Victoria, from "WaterWorld", raise some very serious side issues. Response space won't allow for in-depth/extended "give&take", but as one traveling around the world (75 Countries/4 Continents) for some years, extensively in Africa lately, I've been looking at/dealing with both a new rash of Rural water resource system installations, as well as the various agents in most common use to purify them (when they even bother to do so! Another topic, for another day!).
1) Recent sensationalist presentation of "The Blue Man", on Oprah & elsewhere, simply compounds fear mongering that interests who feel threatened by non-patented chemical alternatives are happy to promote. Actual field USE records - impressive Lab testing results aside - of high quality (vs. "homemade") CS, and proven results therefrom, are what needs examining. Medical clinics all over the world are now returning to use of CS; especially to curb, if not cure, a whole range of tropical illnesses/ailments. A Clinic in E. Africa just recently sent a 1.5/Pg. list - single spaced! - of things they are now curing/controlling with CS: e.g., HIV Cell Growth; post-Malarial Red Blood Cell restoration; all manner of Fungal diseases.. the list goes on. And, even with all this much stronger use - HIV control requires 20/Drops in a class of water, 2-3X daily - NOT A SINGLE CASE OF ARGYRIA (a COSMETIC, not a health syndrome!) or other negative side effects!
2) FDA HAS issued "Cease & Desist" orders against those selling "tonic level" (i.e., highly diluted) forms of CS, which MAKE HEALTH/CURING CLAIMS NOT TESTED/APPROVED BY FDA, as required by law. Implications that FDA is in any way opposed to use of CS are false; they "grandfathered" the product many years ago, & now concern themselves only with false marketing claims.
3) CS concentrates - including SilverDYNE - have been extensively used in Hospitals/Wards, to facilitate healing not accomplished by chemical antibiotics. CS CANNOT BE FOOLED BY MUTATING OR RESISTANT BACTERIA; ALL DOCUMENTED!
Dear Seamus,
Thank you for sharing some of your insight on CS. The people who are in the arena of cleaning water deserve the right to question different products/New Alternatives for cleaning potable water, especially the ones that have no knowledge in the area of CS. It is common for these people to collectively bunch all CS products under one umbrella, because to do extensive research on the entire field and the many uses of CS would take too long a time and can be cumbersome. There has been a lot of controversy about CS over the years good and bad it has been misused and has made incredible leaps of success over the last 100 years.
Most of all your large pharmaceuticals all have a silver product line weather it is silver cream for burns, wounds, and even silver band aids. Just check with your local drug store. Most people do not know that NASA uses CS to treat the drinking water on the shuttles. Go to www.nasa.gov and do the research on how they recycle water on the shuttles.
I noticed you mention the blue man on Oprah show. This person has been drinking CS for many years but yet no where but his face is blue, that is because he admits that he bought a small machine that turns silver into liquids among other things, he has admitted on the Oprah show that he really didn’t know what he was doing but was just experimenting with a mineral. He applied a lot of silver paste to his face and kept applying it until his face was pigmented with a bluish gray color which he admits was his goal. We all know if you abuse any product from aspirins to alcohol you will surly receive the cause and effect of that abuse. Isn’t it interesting that there is only one blue person in the entire world and so much CS being sold globally? Again Seamus our product Silverdyne treats drinking water not people.
We thank you for your opinion, and look ford to speaking to you again in this contest. We hope your water product fairs well.
Cordially,
Charles Veach
I had the opportunity to hear Boylson at The Commonwealth Club of California, which featured "water" topics during the month of August. He had samples of the Silverdyne solution in water and it tasted very pure. I was impressed, especially with the potential impact this can have on the world!!!
What a great solution that could save so many lives, especially in developing nations. I hope governments will take advantage of this product to save their citizenry.
Good luck!
Dear Karen,
Thank you for those kind words about our experience with our product Silverdyne.
Mr. Boylson has been so gracious to add us to his speaking tour on (AlterNet Water Treatments).
What is your roll with the Commonwealth club and how can we as a company be supportive to your endeavors/goals in the water treatment area.
If we can be of value please feel free to contact us at any time.
Again thank you for taking the time to review and test Silverdyne.
Cordially,
Charles Veach
Dear Sir,
I have read the comments and looked at some of the claims made about your product Silverdyne. It would appear to be a very impressive product. However, there has been considerable debate about the efficacy of colloidal silver products stretching back for over 30 years.
Are you aware of the concerns and if so, how does your product differ from a wide range of very similar products available on the market?
www.waterdevelopmentprogram.org. “One Drop”
www.americanbiotechlabs.com “ASAP”
The debate centres on the premise that the risk associated with consumption of colloidal silver outweighs the benefits claimed. A number of companies who have offered a similar product in the past have had warning letters issued by the FDA ordering them to stop claiming that their colloidal silver products were effective against a wide range of health related conditions. On the basis of studies it carried out, the FDA banned the use of colloidal silver or silver salts in over-the-counter products from August 1999. In a report prepared by Fung and Bowen “silver products for medical indications: risk-benefit assessment.” The conclusion reached was that “we emphasise the lack of established effectiveness and potential toxicity of these products”
How will you counter the reasonable concerns that users may have given the large number of reports, papers and articles which all highlight the risks associated with the ingestion of colloidal silver products?
Your website gives numerous test results which, when looked at from a scientific point of view, only conclude that Silverdyne inhibits bacteria in a laboratory culture.
Are you convinced that this means it will be effective in the human body?
How can you control dosage?
WHO Guidelines for Drinking Water Quality (3rd Edition) states that “Silver is not very effective for eliminating disease-causing micro organisms, since silver itself is slow acting (p110)
Can you help me understand how your product counters this statement?
Given the unquantifiable risk, do you feel comfortable in recommending the use of this product by people who may well already be in a poor state of health?
Thank you
Victoria
Dear Virginia,
Thank you for your concern and creatable questions about our product Silverdyne and its claims as well as its effect on the human body. First of all let’s be clear on our claims for water treatment. We do not treat humans like you pointed out that all the other silver product do. (We treat water not humans!) But since the water we treat is drank by humans than lets address that point. We do not fall under the FDA guide lines we Fall under the EPA guide lines. Let’s review what the EPA guidelines for the amount of safe dosage of silver daily are.
The Environmental Protection Agency states in their conclusions quite clearly:
Taking one ounce of colloidal silver compounds daily, according to EPA guidelines, is well below the critical daily intake for the development of argyria.”
“While it is the EPA conclusion after four years of study that the risk of Argyria from the use of a quality isolated colloidal silver product is negligible, prudence suggests that actual silver intake be kept below 1.09 milligrams daily until scientific evidence demonstrates otherwise.” our product only uses 180 ug(microgram not milligrams. Certainly well below EPA standards wouldn’t you agree?
You address our test results as " Silverdyne inhibits bacteria in a laboratory culture" but failed to mention the numerous ISO toxicity tests we conducted on live animals that show no toxicity even at 50 drops of our product per liter of water. And the most we ever recommend is two drops per liter.
Dear Virginia,
Thank you for your concern and questions about our product Silverdyne and its claims as well as its effect on the human body. First of all let’s be clear on our claims for water treatment. We do not treat humans like you pointed out that all the other silver product do. (We treat water not humans!) But since the water we treat is drank by humans than lets address that point. We do not fall under the FDA guide lines we Fall under the EPA guide lines. Let’s review what the EPA guidelines for the amount of safe dosage of silver daily are.
The Environmental Protection Agency states in their conclusions quite clearly:
Taking one ounce of colloidal silver compounds daily, according to EPA guidelines, is well below the critical daily intake for the development of argyria.”
“While it is the EPA conclusion after four years of study that the risk of Argyria from the use of a quality isolated colloidal silver product is negligible, prudence suggests that actual silver intake be kept below 1.09 milligrams daily until scientific evidence demonstrates otherwise.” our product only uses 180 ug(microgram not milligrams. Certainly well below EPA standards wouldn’t you agree?
You address our test results as "Silverdyne inhibits bacteria in a laboratory culture" but failed to mention the numerous ISO toxicity tests we conducted on live animals that show no toxicity even at 50 drops of our product per liter of water. And the most we ever recommend is two drops per liter.
Virginia, please go to our website www.whaintl.com under the Testimonies tab and see what the Director General of the Center for Disease Control and others after using our product for over ten years has to say about its ability and safety.
I hope this clears up why we are not like all the other silver product out there and how important it is for one to review all the fax to get the correct results.
Thank you again for your comments
Cordially,
Charles Veach
It is also interesting that you are using live animals for testing. Do you have any medium term to long term prognosis of their condition or the laboratory reports on any stress or trauma impact resulting from the testing?
Dear Keith Gavin,
TO ANSWER YOU’RE QUESTION: We have no medium or long term just short term prognosis on animals just what you see on our research site, where all the test animals flourished from our product. On the other hand we do have testimonials from the Center for Disease Control on the long-term/ ten years use on humans with our product, without any incidents of any kind.
If you like I would be happy to post it on changemakers for your review.
Look forward to your comments and good luck with your wonderful product in the Changemakers contest.
Cordially,
Charles Veach
First of all my name is Victoria not Virginia.
Secondly, I will look at your claims in more detail from a reasoned and measured scientific point of view.
It is very important that we in the water communty understand and are able to measure the efficacy of your product. It would be an incredible shame if we missed out on a product that we could all benefit from.
Can you tell us how your product differs from the other products on offer on the internet and which I referred to in my original message?
thank you
VICTORIA
Dear Victoria, please forgive me for miss pronouncing you name.
Let’s address the references mention in your original message (Water Product Program): First of all their product line from their website shows their ingredients: is a saturated acidic complex ionic aqueous solution containing copper, silver, zinc, aluminum and gold. We could not find anywhere on their website that mentions any test results, or long term use in any divined area.
To answer your question how dose our product differ from the above product, we only use distilled water and silver in our product. We have test results backing our claims; we have government agencies and other groups giving testimonies of our product results over the last ten years.
Let’s address your next example American Biotech Labs: We are very familiar with their work and their process they are a fine company that is focused on treating people for various diseases using CL as a product line. As far as I know they do not have a particular product that just address the cleaning of potable water. It is our hope that they will join us in our endeavors to adopt an alterative product line for eliminating all bacteria in water.
Again we believe that we as a company that from the beginning have always and always will be first dedicated to the treatment of potable water. That is not to say that we are not looking in other areas that our product may be of benefit.
Victoria we appreciate you bring this questions to light it allows others to receive a better understanding on how we differ from other CL in the market place.
Cordially,
Charles Veach
In reviewing your Web Site, the major focus is on your unique solution's use as a purifying agent - for fresh fruit and vegetables, as well as water - but doesn't talk much about other uses I have heard made of it.
For example, I have a relative who is a Mt. Climber, and was introduced to your solution through another friend. He carried a small vial of it in his pack, instead of the Iodine tablets most climbers use (and hate the taste of, thereby taking big chances with drinking water from open streams, etc.)
While climbing one of the tallest mountains in the So. Caucusus chain, he badly jammed a finger on a rock, and almost immediately got a serious fungal infection. Recalling some of the many uses he had been told about this product, he put several drops directly on the injury; by the next day, it was completely cleared up. That infection could have aborted his very expensive climb. But I didn't see much, if anything, about its being able to kill fungal diseases as well. What's the barrier to wider use?
I have also heard stories about how a few drops in a vase of flowers can keep them fresh for 3-to-5 times longer; and another report I just came on to about use of a product - yours or something similar - now being tested by agricultural interests, to eliminate the use of toxic chemicals to curb their crop plant diseases.
If all this is factual, as it seems to be, why isn't there more being said about this use versatility on your Web Site? It seems almost too good to believe, that something with so many valuable uses can be packed in a small plastic bottle, that can last months, if not even a year or more. It should be more readily available!
Dear Seamus,
Please let me address your first question. (What's the barrier to wider use?)
Like any other product on the market there must be trials and approvals before we can bring them to the market place this take time and capitol.
We are presently doing mold and mildew testing on produce pre and post harvest through UC Davis in California, to create a full range of organic alternatives, to the chemicals products that are being using on aquiculture at present.
We are also doing testing for Newcastle/Avian flu viral trial. These apply to vaccine production and the many viruses that are continually present in the growing of poultry world wide. Using our solution would be an organic alternative to the present injection of antibiotics for the breading or raising any kind of fowl.
At present based on our final test results we will be looking to promote our product as topical ointment to defer bacteria from burns and wounds.
Other trials are up coming and we will keep you posted on there outcome.
We hope we have answered your questions fully, if not please contact us so we may redirect in the areas you want to be more specific
Thank you again for your interest in our company, and I hope we may serve your needs
Cordially,
Charles Veach
Proctor& Gamble's product-PUR,purifier of water-which purifies water 99.9% including elimination of turbidity and protozoan contamination and is priced at Rs.5[10cents?] a sachet to treat 10 liters of water in Pakistan .
P&G's social marketing wing Population Services International [www.psi.org] markets 'SAFEWAT' in INDIA at Rs10 a bottle of 100ml ;one drop of "SAFEWAT deactivates bacteria and viruses in one liter of water which works out to one nayapisa [ 0.02 cents] A comparison between these products and siverdyne in effectivity and price will be useful.
Dears krishna,
After a bit of research on Pur purifier the product description is both a flocculant and disinfectant that can separate particles and organisms from the water and kill microbes after 30 minutes.
The water is then filtered through a cloth to remove the debris. The powdered product, which includes ferric sulphate, calcium hypochlorite and chlorine, is delivered in small sachets. (Please look up MSDS on all three these ingredients) taken even in small amounts.
This is not to say that PUR is not a safe product with great qualities. I am saying we are just different in our approach to bacteria free water.
Pur quotes in their information that PUR costs around ten cents to treat the drinking water for a family of five for one day, and reduces the incidence of diarrhea in young children by around 50%.
Our product Silverdyne is a natural mineral with no smell taste or color. I believe our test results speak for themselves please review our web site under the research tab and look at our MSDS information, and please compare the two product ingredients.
(Our product will treat a family of 5 for 5 cents per day, or $18.00 per year (based on $ 3.00 per bottle)
As it is documented that untold amounts of children are dieing around the world because they refuse to drink water that taste bad, where adults know that it might save their lives the children don't.
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Safewat is another chlorine product with the same smell and taste that chlorine brings. I am not saying that our product is better than any other water cleaning product just different. Safewat, PUR, Silverdyne and many other are all striving to help and make a difference in the bacteria free safe water market.
I hope we have answered all your questions, and we hope you will keep asking them.
Please contact us by phone or e-mail we would like to work with you anyway.
Cordially,
Charles Veach
One of my companies missions to help individuals find a solution to the potable water problem. Reviewing your web site especially your section on research, I think we have found an inexpensive and readily available solution to the above problem.
Sincerely
Bernie
Dear Mr. Gould,
Thank you for your interest in our product, if you could be so kind as to give us more information about what and where you are wanting to provide potable water we may be able to assist you in your endeavors.
Since you have already visited our web site all of our contact info is there under company tab. Please feel free to expound on all areas of interest we may provide.
We look forward to hearing from you and your company.
Cordially,
Charles Veach
Senior Director
February 21, 2008
I can't believe how great this product works. I did my own little experiment with fresh vegetables by washing half in regular water and half in water using Silverdyne. The vegetables washed in Silverdyne stayed fresh for three times as long as the vegetables washed in regular water. Wow!
When I put a couple of drops of Silverdyne in my water, I can taste how sweet it becomes. We are very interested in how this product kills pathogens and bacteria as we will be taking supplies and food into third world countries. This could very well be the answer to water purification problems and challenges in these countries.
We look forward to learning all that we can about your product.
Thank you,
Sharon Costello
Dear Sharon,
Thank you for taking the time to experience first hand the positive results of our product Silverdyne in your drinking water as well as the washing process.
You have indicated that you are interested in how our product kills pathogens and bacteria as you will be taking supplies and food into third world countries.
We have extensive information for these questions on our web site under the research and product tab. www.whaintl.com
After reviewing our web site please call us and let us know what your plans are for the third world countries you want to enter so we may be of assistance.
Looking forward to working with you and your company.
Cordially,
Charles Veach
It appears your product ‘Silverdyne’ is for individual use purifying 1 liter to 1 gal. But I would be curious if it could be applied to a larger scale of say 1mgd or more, possibly replacing chlorine which is commonly used for disinfection.
Carlos Murphy
Dear Carlos,
Thank you for your question and interest in our product.
We have no problem treating larger quantities of water other than 1liter to 1gallon.
If you mean by individual use the water the person or persons consume, than you’re correct.
As to many articles 85% of all global water use goes to aquaculture/Industry, 15% go to bathing, washing articles, swimming pools ECT. Only about 5% of water goes past our lips for drinking.
We/our company are trying to make a difference with that 5%. Is our objective to take the place of chlorine, in the city or county reservoirs the answers would be no.
Isn’t the real challenge to give good quality drinking water where ever how ever we can make a diffrence?
I hope this answered your question, if not please feel free to expound further on the subject. Look forward to hearing from you soon
Cordially,
Charles Veach
I am always interested in new ways to purify and make water safe. The information which you have provided in regard to your water additive is quite informative on the one hand but makes me wonder about such terms as "bad" water or "very bad" water. I apologize but I do not understand what either of these descriptions is supposed to convey.
Also, I have been looking at a different technology which is shown at http://www.waterstraws.com/ and wonder if the product which you are marketing is somehow related to this same type technology. the water straws also make me wonder at their descriptive use of words for polluted waters.
Finally, I wonder if your product would "make safe" waters that have high arsenic or heavy metal contents?
Thank you,
Brian
Dear Brian,
Thank you for your questions about” bad" water verses "very bad" water.
In most third world country the drinking water is bad because of their delivery system is old or antiquated.
On the other hand there are natural disasters such as flooding, tsunamis, cholera ECT that cause the drinking water to become very bad/ worse than it already is. That is why we indicate between one and two drops.
You also ask about the technology of the straw. Our technology and the straw have only one thing in common we are both trying to help deliver a better more convenient solution to clean drinking water.
Our product eliminates all bacteria/viruses from the water. It dose not remove the arsenic or heavy metals.
We hope we have answered you questions to your satisfaction, if not please feel free to contact us at any time.
Cordially,
Charles Veach
Silverdyne offers water purification that is simple and safe. Only 2 drops will treat a liter of water and eliminate pathogens effectively and quickly. This could save countless lives in countries where dysentery and water born diseases are the leading cause of death.
Having a compromised immune system myself, I rely on Silverdyne to purify my drinking water. It is especially helpful when I travel. I have a friend who lives in a rural environment. She gets her water from a spring on her property. Previously, if I brushed my teeth with her water, I became ill. With Silverdyne, I no longer have to worry about that. Giardia and other pathogens are easily destroyed in short time. I wish I had Silverdyne when I traveled to Mexico many years ago and suffered Montezuma's revenge.
Silverdyne gives me piece of mind and secondary immune protection in a world where bacteria and viruses are popping up on a daily basis.
Dear Julie,
We appreciate your kind words about our product Silverdyne. We are sorry to hear that you have a compromised immune system but we are pleased that we can help you with your problem by eliminating all the bad pathogens in your drinking water. If you have any other stories you would like to share with us please feel free to e-mail or call us. Please visit our web site for more information.
Cordially,
Charles Veach
Hello Charles,
I like the sounds of this natural mineral liquid that can purify water. When I was traveling in South East Asia I carried a bottle of liquid iodine around. The taste was pretty bad but it worked well and I didn't get sick. How is this different and how does it compare in cost, flavor and effectiveness?
Lastly, could you do your best to list some of the barriers or challenges to creating or achieving your impact.
Thank you
Dana Frasz
Changemakers
Dear Dana,
First of all I would like to thank you for your interest in our company and product.
The answers to your questions are what make our product so unique:
1. "Flavor" -- Siverdyne as a natural mineral adds no additional flavor to the water, in fact since it is in no way carcinogenic, it allows the natural flavor of the water to come trough unlike the iodine or chlorine products.
2. "Effectiveness" -- 1 drop in 2litters of water or 2 drops in 1litter of water depending on the concentration of bacteria will eliminate all bacteria/viruses in 30 minutes or less.
If you would be so kind to visit our website www.whaintl.com and review the research tab, you will find many test results from EPA, FDA accreted labs from the US, Europe, Pacific Rim, and South America demonstrating a 99.99% elimination of bacteria/viruses to include ISO Acute Systemic injection test/toxicity testing.
3. "Cost" -- 1 30ML bottle will treat 1200Lt/300gl of drinking water, enough to last an adult 12-14 months for under a penny a day.
4. "Barriers and challenges" –While trying to penetrate foreign markets, in underdeveloped nations, where governments as well as private businesses have used other products for so many years, tend to create artificially erected barriers, causing the fear of change for a co-existing alternative to the water problems.
Dana, I hope this answers your questions. Please let me know if you have any additional questions or input.
Cordially,
Charles Veach
I am wit stanford University and would love to learn more about this product. It sounds like such a simple solution to a world that may not have a lot of resources.. Please let me know more.
I am a researcher with Bristol University UK and I have a keen interest in the product. It seems like a good product that can benefit developing countries in purifying their (high incident) impure water.
Dear Sir,
Thank you for your input about our product Silverdyne, We are currently speaking to Oxfam in the UK and expanding into the Pacific Rim as well as the Middle East. Please visit our web site www.whaintl.com for further information on our travel schedule, and production expansion.
Cordially,
Charles Veach
Dear Christina,
Thank you for your input, our web page goes into quit a bit of detail on our product. Look under the product tab and it will show multiple uses.
If you have any more question after looking at the web site. www.whaintl.com
Please let us know.
PS I am meeting with one of the Doctors at Stanford this week. He is a col. in the nation guard and is heading to Baghdad to head up their CDC unit for the country. Were hoping he will bring us with him to distribute our product for the local people suffering from Pathogenic Bacteria.
Cordially,
charles
I have used silverdyne in my drinking water since September 07 in the one drop to the over one hundred drop treatment concentrations for water use.
I feel a distince almost instanious cleen hydration experience when i drink this treated water [ within 10 seconds]
I feel that the water treated with Silverdyne is invasive pathogen free and promotes general health and psychological well being .
Clinical tests have shown that silverdyne works in the field for invasive pathogen destruction, and I can recommend it for not only field use but for emergency use as well.
I have a standard one quart canteen in my car pack for survival situations with 10 drops of silverdyne [nutrasilver] in it , yes even here in the USA !
As a private designer of American National Survival projects I recommend Silverdyne not only for the individual but for government use as well in the area of invasive pathogen treatment.
Please see my work at www.civilizationcontinuity.org
RPHunter Feb 18 , 08
Dear Mr. Hunter
We thank you for your endorsement of our product. As a wholesale company we are always expanding our product line and we are looking for distributors with like minds, we welcome your input for our product many uses in water purification. It is our goal to help deliver clean drinking right NOW too the needy world wide.
Again thank you for your interest.
Cordially,
Charles Veach
I have used silverdyne in my drinking water since September 07 in the one drop to the over one hundred drop treatment concentrations for water use.
I feel a distince almost instanious cleen hydration experience when i drink this treated water [ within 10 seconds]
I feel that the water treated with Silverdyne is invasive pathogen free and promotes general health and psychological well being .
Clinical tests have shown that silverdyne works in the field for invasive pathogen destruction, and I can recommend it for not only field use but for emergency use as well.
I have a standard one quart canteen in my car pack for survival situations with 10 drops of silverdyne [nutrasilver] in it , yes even here in the USA !
As a private designer of American National Survival projects I recommend silver dyne not only for the individual but for government use as well in the area of invasive pathogen treatment.
Please see my work at www.civilizationcontinuity.org
RPHunter Feb 18 , 08
I am grateful for the use of silverdyne, and have passed on this product to friends and family .
I feel it has helped remove toxins from my body and improve my health dramatically.
It is safe and practical ,I will always use it .
Thank you Christina for your kind words and support of our product. It is letters like this from people like you that keep us moving forward. With the help of other like mind products and thinking we may make this world a cleaner place to live.
Again let us know how we can better serve you.
Cordially,
Charles Veach
www.whaintl.com
I have gone to your site and read your FDA-certified lab reports and I must say I have not seem results more impressive anywhere.
When you can kill eColi, Salmonella, Pseudomonas and Shingella at the rate of 99.999% in less than 30 minutes, you have a major product that could very well replace antibiotics!
As a water purifier, I have done the calculations based upon information on your web site: apparently, one 30ml bottles of Silverdyne , assuming 1/2 gallon of drinking water a day in the tropics, will supply enough clean drinking water for 1.6 YEARS!!!
Silverdyne should be carried by anyone who relies on clean drinking water when traveling such as backpackers; rather than carrying stoves to boil water along with the fuel, they could simply apply one or two droops of Silverdyne to their canteen and have safe drinking water in unlimited quantities without having stop and boil water. Not to mention there apparently is not taste, most people object to chlorine in their water for that reason.
I believe that Silverdyne, used in other areas could dramatically change the landscape of the water industry. Imagine Silverdyne in bottled water; people who drank it would probably become more healthy because of its anti-pathogenic properties.
If the cost of Silverdyne is as stated, this appears to be a very cost-effective way to clean water on a very large scale. I am anxious to hear more about silverdyne and its progress in the world.